The best way to eradicate poverty is to create jobs

In their rush to create justifications for reducing the footprint of government on the economy (and society), economists have invented a number of new “approaches” to economic development, unemployment and poverty which rely on an increased private sector presence. Concepts such as social entrepreneurship and new regionalism emerged as the governments embraced the so-called Third Way – neither free market (right) or government regulation (left) – as a way to resolve unemployment and regional disadvantage. Microcredit was another version and the 2006 Nobel Prize was awarded to the Grameen Bank in Bangladesh and its founder. The media held microcredit out in various positive ways but gave the impression that it was another solution. Insiders knew it wasn’t but the I have always argued that the best solution for poverty is to initially create decent paying jobs. I have also argued for many years that only the national government has the capacity to really intervene in this way. For it is was “profitable” in the free market sense, the private sector would have already done it.

The Wall Street Journal article (November 17, 2011) – India Journal: Jobs Not Handouts Help the Very Poorest – took up this issue. They say that:

You may not have known it from how the microfinance industry was portrayed over the past decade, but micro-lenders themselves have long known that small loans are not a silver bullet for the problems facing the more than 400 million Indians who earn less than a $1.25 a day.

It is clear that when we are dealing with the “highly marginalized ultra poor” who live “hand-to-mouth on meager wages from manual labor or by stretching subsistence farming income for months between harvests … it is extremely difficult to use loans for anything other than meeting their most basic food and healthcare needs”.

Similarly, the responses from the various international efforts (such as the GAP-Ford Foundation Graduation Program) still consider that “micro-entrepreneurship” is the solution. These models consider the ultra-poor have to first undertake a lengthy (supported) rehabilitation prior to engaging in work proper and skill development.

Analysts claim that the problem is one of scale – there are simply too many people in need of support and governments cannot afford to provide the required level of real resource assistance (food, clothing, shelter etc) while the ultra-poor are being rehabilitated and prepared for training and “productive” employment.

Programs such as the The Sorenson/Unitus Ultra Poor Initiative attempt to truncate the transition for poverty to workforce by reducing the time involved in “rehabilitation”. They argue:

… that if the ultra poor are given an opportunity to start earning a stable income from the program’s outset, they are willing and able to pay for food, healthcare, and other services … launching its program with job-skills training and the resources to start a new activity, it could reduce the cost of its ultra-poor program by as much as 80%. This dramatic reduction greatly improves the prospects for scale …

It is clearly important that people break their dependency on welfare by gaining employment and therefore gaining access to stable incomes which allows them to risk manage their own lives.

But while fast-tracking the individuals into paid-work will reduce the nominal outlays that government might make in the “rehabilitation” phase these hybrid approaches still miss the point.

The problem is one of scale. There are too many people in need for these “market-based” efforts to succeed when aggregate demand is deficient. Once again it is the problem of looking at an issue from a microeconomic lens and thinking that what might “work” at the individual level will translate to a macroeconomic solution.

How will all these new business survive if there is still insufficient aggregate demand quite apart from whether the new owners have developed the capacity to actually run their new enterprises effectively?

The WSJ article quoted Dr. Aneel Karnani who is a professor of strategy at the University of Michigan. He appears to come from a management rather than an economics background. I recall reading an interesting paper in 2007 from him – Employment, not Microcredit, is the Solution.

The WSJ article says that Dr. Karnani “has been a particularly vocal advocate for a “jobs first” approach to poverty alleviation” which runs counter to the views held by the international agencies which help fund these initiatives. They claim that the “graduation approach” is necessary to impart “life skills and allows recipients to manage their households as much as it improves their ability to earn a living”.

My own view (based upon some experience) is that creating jobs is an important step for a household. I however do not agree with the WSJ article author who says that if we find that “steady employment – not micro-enterprise – really be the first step toward self-sufficiency for hundreds of millions of extremely poor families … [then] … we must do everything we can to create an environment that nurtures businesses with the potential to create jobs and provide affordable services for these families”.

I consider that approach will be a partial solution only. Private businesses have a different way of viewing success and many will fail in their infancy. It is not a viable model for solving the joblessness and poverty of millions, especially where public infrastructure urgently needs developing.

Aneel Karnani’s paper (mentioned above) is interesting because it challenges the notion that microcredit creates a “virtuous circle of ‘low income, injection of credit, investment, more income, more savings, more investment, more income'” which led the United Nations to designate “2005 as the International year of Microcredit”.

He concludes that:

… microcredit does yield some non-economic benefits, but that it does not significantly alleviate poverty. The best way to eradicate poverty is help create jobs and increase productivity.

The non-economic benefits include improved “self-esteem and social cohesion” especially as empowering sources for women, although the evidence is that in strongly “patriarchal systems of control at household and community levels” this empowerment is marginal.

In terms of poverty alleviation, the research evidence cited is that “microcredit is beneficial but only to a limited extent. The reality is less attractive
than the promise”.

This is the conclusion that we draw when evaluating all these “Third Way” approaches. Some benefits but limited and certainly not sufficient to deal with the scale of the problems being confronted.

Aneel Karnani thinks the problem is not microcredit per se “but rather with microenterprises”. He argues that:

.. the vast majority of microcredit clients are caught in subsistence activities with no prospect of competitive advantage. The self-employed poor usually have no specialized skills and often practice multiple occupations. Many of these businesses operate at too small a scale. The median business operated by the poor has no paid staff; most of these businesses have very few assets as well. With low skills, little capital and no scale economies, these businesses operate in arenas with low entry barriers and too much competition; they have low productivity and lead to meager earnings that cannot lift their owners out of poverty.

Which is entirely predictable and would apply to small start-up loans to businesses in advanced nations equally. When around 90 per cent of the workforce in advanced nations are employees, why would we expect the poor in developing countries to suddenly be successful entrepreneurs? The difference is not whether funding is available or not.

Aneel Karnani says that most microcredit clients “are not microentrepreneurs by choice and would gladly take a factory job at reasonable wages if possible. We should not romanticize the idea of the ‘poor as entrepreneurs'”.

He thus argues that:

Creating opportunities for steady employment at reasonable wages is the best way to take people out of poverty.

Which resonates with the ILO mantra that “nothing is more fundamental to poverty reduction than employment”.

Aneel Karnani provides evidence showing “the pattern of poverty and employment over time in China, India and Africa (which together account for about three-quarters of the poor in the world)”.

It shows that where employment has expanded the most (China) the “the incidence of poverty has declined significantly” compared say to Africa “where the incidence of poverty has remained unchanged, a small and shrinking fraction of the population is employed”.

This is not to say that employment is the “silver bullet” out of poverty – the rising incidence of the working poor is evidence of that. A job has to dimensions – hours of work and a pay rate. Pay has to be sufficient to “enable the employees to rise above poverty”.

My work in say South Africa between 2007-2008 evaluating their Expanded Public Works Program for the ILO demonstrated this point to me. The EPWP employed 1 million people in its first 5 years and has more ambitious targets in the second five year period. The lesson was that poverty rates fell dramatically for those offered jobs within the program. Public amenities and infrastructure were constructed as well as incomes to the workers paid.

The program didn’t pay enough nor provide enough jobs but the evidence that the lives of those who did get the jobs improved significantly.

Please read my blog – Employment guarantees in developing countries – for more discussion on this point and other programs of a similar nature.

The EPWP was constrained because the South African government was dominated by its Treasury which, in turn, was dominated by neo-liberal ideology. It was a very interesting experience discussing economics with their top officials. They seemed to think that the country could not afford to employ the 12 million or so that were in dire poverty and who needed incomes. This is one of the richest natural resource nations around and had all the resources necessary to alleviate poverty.

They told me it would cost too much – to which I asked them how a nominal entry into a budget account ledger was a cost. They were unable to deal with interrogation at that level.

Aneel Karnani’s paper gets to the heart of the problem.

He says that:

In recent years, the political ideology of the world has shifted decisively towards an increased role for markets and a correspondingly decreased role for the state. But, the role of the state has certainly not been eliminated, nor should it be. The state is responsible for basic education, public health, water, sanitation, public safety and infrastructure. The government in every developing country certainly professes to accept responsibility for these traditional functions. Yet, it has failed dismally to deliver on its promises.

The IMF, the World Bank and other agencies have beaten sovereign governments into submission and infused neo-liberal ideology into their operations.

Poverty is the result of the failure of the public sector to fulfill its responsibilities to advance public purpose.

Aneel Karnani documents how India has been booming (“(i)t is the best of times”) but by contrast (the other India) suffers from “persistent income inequality and gender inequality … 79% of Indians are below the commonly used $2/day poverty line. 39% of adults are illiterate. 10% of boys and 25% of girls do not attend even primary school. 49% of children are underweight for their age. 9% of children die in the first five years of their lives. 31% of rural households and 9% or urban households do not have access to safe drinking water. 81% of rural households and 19% or urban households do not have a toilet. 400,000 children die of diarrhea (a waterborne disease) every year.”

The “boom in the private sector has been accompanied by a significant failure of the state” and it is the poor that disproportionately bear the burden of this failure (in particular, women).

Aneel Karnani says that:

There is a growing ‘neoliberal’ movement which looks to the private sector for the solution to the failure of public services …

But this push has failed to deliver on its promises. Private companies have not been responsive to appeals “to help the poor on the grounds of corporate social

He says that it is an inescapable fact that “(c)reating employment and increasing productivity is the best solution to poverty” and that it is “the role of the government in providing basic public services, which have a direct and significant impact on productivity”. The two facts combine to suggest that public sector job creation should be elevated as a policy priority.

While the challenges facing the less developed countries are massive relative to those facing the unemployed in the advanced world the perpetuation of the crisis is blurring some of those boundaries.

The Great Depression taught us that capitalist economies are prone to lengthy periods of unemployment without government intervention. From 1945 until 1975, governments used fiscal and monetary policy to maintain levels of overall spending sufficient to generate employment growth in line with labour force growth.

The maintenance of true full employment in most countries also was associated with declining inequalities. Most of the work generated was full-time and real wages grew in line with labour productivity. For those who slipped through the gaps in the distribution system there was a strong supportive welfare state.

The advanced economies grew at much more higher rates of growth than they have exhibited in the neo-liberal era.

The period since the the commitment to maintain full employment was abandoned by governments after the 1974 OPEC oil price shocks has been marked by persistently high unemployment and rising underemployment which put pressures on the welfare services provision and has been exacerbated by the regionally-specific declines in manufacturing and ancillary employment.

In response to these problems new debates and conjectures have emerged offering “solution packages” that purport to steer a route through the “extremes” of Keynesianism and neo-liberalism. These so-called Third Way movements, including Social Entrepreneurship, ignore the fact that mass unemployment is a systemic failure of the national economy to produce enough jobs and the fact that most governments are sovereign in their own currencies.

Appropriate fiscal policy interventions can always generate enough jobs to match the needs and desires of the available labour supply. The failure of governments to pursue those options does not reflect any actual financial constraints on their capacity to spend but rather ideological choices to reduce their responsibility for providing sufficient work for all.

In ignoring these facts, movements such as Social Entrepreneurship and microcredit adopt a characterisation of unemployment (and poverty) that rely on a mistaken view that government fiscal and monetary policy is impotent and that individuals have to be empowered with appropriate market-based incentives. Mass unemployment and poverty is always, in the first instance, a macroeconomic problem.

The highlighting of local schemes or initiatives is worthwhile but fails to grasp the fact that in a constrained macroeconomy the scale of job creation required is beyond the capacity of local schemes or small-scale enterprises. This specific-to-general logic also pervades neo-liberal logic and formed the basis of the Keynesian attack on orthodoxy during the Great Depression.

The infusion of the individualistic rhetoric (the creation of “micro enterprises”) throughout the public debate, driven by a blind acceptance of binding financial constraints on sovereign national governments has led these “solution packages” to lean firmly towards market solutions and maintain the notion of full employability rather than advance full employment in any meaningful way.

The “rehabilitation” periods are all about “full employability” rather than full employment.

By largely disregarding the macro-economy these solutions will fail to deliver full employment. As a consequence, the neo-liberal position is left unchallenged and is actually reinforced.

Neo-liberal market-based solutions to poverty think that private resource allocation is more efficient and that entrepreneurial profits via full-blown business activities are required to cross-subsidise welfare provision, in an era where budget allocations are highly constrained.

These concepts are heavily borrowed from neoclassical microeconomics. For example, efficiency appears in standard microeconomic text-books and refers to the highest output at the lowest cost.

But even within this model (and it is not often emphasised) – while unfettered private markets allocate resources to the most efficient uses, the presence of any social (external) costs arising from private market transactions which are not valued in the market, will render private entrepreneurship inefficient. Social justice aims cannot be valued in the market and so private entrepreneurial models of welfare provision are unlikely to achieve efficiency.

For example, how would a social entrepreneur allocate resources between profit-making and welfare-providing activities? Despite the use of text-book terminology to claim legitimacy for their agenda, no such authority exists in the microcredit (or SE movement).

No neoclassical underpinning exists to suggest that these initiatives deliver welfare more efficiently than the Welfare State model they seek to replace. Markets fail to value social improvements and public goods and bads and benefits for people who cannot afford to pay. Accordingly, the market is not a legitimate benchmark to justify the changes from rights-based welfare.

There are significant problems that arise from these proposals which claim that governments should not create employment but rather fund local social entrepreneurs and encourage entrepreneurial projects and facilitate commercial alliances between non-profit organisations and corporate businesses.

First, it is unclear how adopting corporate aims to guide social spending advances social justice, which requires that resources are allocated according to an ordering of societal needs, determined in the public domain, rather than by corporations.

Second, non-profit organisations who implement state welfare programs for commercial gain become co-opted (lose their independence) and may undergo fundamental internal changes.

There are other objections that can be raised.

From a practical perspective, these movements want the government to become a venture capital provider and underwrite small-scale capitalist production, which is known to have high rates of business failure.

It is undesirable to make the fortunes of the disadvantaged at the behest of entrepreneurial vagaries. More significant community entrepreneurship would fail due to moral hazard (where the government takes on a moral obligation to prevent an entrepreneur from failing).

The entrepreneur would face distorted risk and return choices because they can effectively ignore downside risks of any investment. Endemic market failure would result in a proliferation of wasteful investments. There is no problem of moral hazard in a government provided welfare model because allocations reflect political accountability.

The other objection relates to how social cohesion is best developed. Microcredit advocates emphasise that social cohesion is best developed at the community level. Social cohesion can take many forms. Some countries like Japan, Switzerland, and Norway avoided the sustained unemployment that beset most economies after the mid-1970s by maintaining what Paul Ormerod (Death of Economics 1994, p.203) said was:

a sector of the economy which … functions as an employer of last resort … [and] … exhibited a high degree of shared social values … [or] … social cohesion, a characteristic of almost all societies in which unemployment has remained low for long periods of time.

Social cohesion, here, refers to the willingness of citizens to allow the state to use macroeconomic policies to maintain full employment.

However, a plethora of separate, entrepreneurial (competitive) communities are unlikely to develop shared values or social cohesion. Further, the substitution of community-developed, for bureaucratically determined, programs may introduce discord between sections of the community with divergent priorities, including intolerance of minorities.

Finally, any positive outcomes of a small number of organisations will not automatically be transferable to every community. Microcredit entrepreneurs would compete with other private companies and employment generated in these communities may be partially or totally offset losses elsewhere in the private sector.

In short there are numerous dangers in pursuing the community entrepreneurship model. Communities working together with the fiscal power of the federal government to achieve national goals would best ensure the protection of citizens’ rights originally secured by the introduction of the Welfare State, and, avert the possibility of divisiveness between and within communities.

Poverty is not an individual issue. It is a societal issue. The microcredit approach suggests that individuals have to accept responsibility for their outcomes and be self-reliant.

Unemployment is couched as a problem of welfare dependence rather than a deficiency of jobs. Microcredit attempts to break this welfare dependency by shifting responsibility from government to the individual.

Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) shows us that it is a compositional fallacy to consider that the difference between getting a job and being unemployed is a matter of individual endeavour.

In advanced nations, the adoption of welfare dependency as a lifestyle is different to an individual, who is powerless in the face of macroeconomic failure, seeking income support as a right of citizenry.

There are now millions of people unemployed around the world as a result of the crisis. Millions more have been chronically unemployed in poorer nations.

The major explanation for this pathology has been a deficiency of demand promoted by inappropriate fiscal and monetary policy. Governments reacted to the onset of inflation with restrictive policy stances summarised by a fetish for budget surpluses. In doing so, they have failed to understand the opportunities that they have as the issuer of the currency.

MMT tells us that budget deficits are necessary to maintain full employment if the private sector is to pay taxes and has a positive desire to net save. In this regard, the orthodox treatment of the accounting relation termed the government budget constraint as an ex ante financial constraint is in error.

Government spending is only constrained by what real goods and services are offered in return for it. There is no financing requirement. Debt issuance is seen as part of a reserve maintenance operation by the RBA consistent with their monetary policy cash rate targets. Accordingly, the alleged constraints on government action to restore full employment are based on false premises.

The emergence of approaches such as microcredit as the costs of the neo-liberal failure have mounted can be shown to have been co-opted into the neo-liberal approach.

In particular the disregard for the role of macroeconomic policy in restoring full employment and the individualisation of economic outcomes represent the major avenues through which the neo-liberal paradigm has absorbed the new so-called progressive agendas.

The first part of the solution should be the introduction of a Job Guarantee which would see each sovereign government unconditionally offer a public sector job at the minimum wage to anyone willing and able to work.

This immediately establishes and maintains a buffer stock of employed workers. This buffer stock expands (declines) when private sector activity declines (expands), much like today’s unemployed buffer stocks, but potentially with considerably more liquidity if properly maintained. The risks of the policy are all borne by the state rather than the individual.

Within the Job Guarantee framework training and skill development opportunities could be afforded while the workers still received a socially-sustainable wage.

Please read my blog – Employment guarantees in developing countries – for more discussion on this point.


Policy agendas that focus on the individual when the overriding cause of the problem is macroeconomic (or system-wide) can never be progressive.

The priority for progressives is to challenge the austerity approach which claims that the way to prosperity if less public and more private, despite there being no solid grounds for expecting the viability of increased private spending.

While individual community endeavour might produce 100 jobs here and there via microcredit schemes – all of which are good and necessary – the reality is that millions of jobs are needed. Small-scale entrepreneurial ventures cannot ease a macroeconomic constraint on aggregate demand coming from an inadequate sized budget deficit.

There is madness in the air

The ABC News reported that the – Spanish right celebrates landslide election win – and said it was the result of Spain’s voters venting “their rage on the ruling Socialists for the worst economic crisis in generations”.

I can understand why the voters would want to severely punish the ruling government for mismanaging the crisis and failing to prepare a way for the country to exit the Euro.

But that is not what happened at all.

The ABC reported that:

Spaniards voted in a grim mood against a background of soaring unemployment, cuts in public spending and a debt crisis that has put them in the front line of the eurozone’s fight for survival.

The Official Data shows that national unemployment in Spain is currently 22.5 per cent and rising and youth unemployment is a staggering 45 per cent.

The incoming right-wing government has promised “even harsher austerity measures to appease financial markets”. They will cut health and education spending (all areas which bear upon productivity growth and the potential growth rates) which will undermine prosperity for years to come.

So expect unemployment to rise.

Why would voters think it was sensible to sweep a party into power that will accelerate the impoverishment of millions.

It demonstrates how poorly represented the electorates in the advanced world are – all parties are seized up with neo-liberal macroeconomic nonsense.

That is enough for today!

This Post Has 16 Comments

  1. When will the Euro madness end?! I had read the BBC article earlier: “People are used to a very high level of public services and it takes time to them to acknowledge the realisation that we now are a poor country, that we have lots of debts and in order to pay them back we must reduce public expenditure and then we must recover the confidence of the markets.” – from Miguel Arias, the Popular Party’s campaign co-ordinator.

    W.T.F. – and to top it off, “the markets”???

  2. In response to the Spanish election Warren Mosler said, “The turkeys have voted for Thanksgiving.” Although it is sad, I like the analogy.

  3. Bill, Social Enterprise/Third Way ‘solutions’ are marginally (sic) useful at best then?! 😉

  4. Bill

    Interesting blog that I found really rather depressing because it would appear there is little realistic chance of a new direction to provide improvement whilst the neo-liberals, as both as individuals and their ideas, hold sway. It makes it vital to try to get those with influence to understand how things might be changed for the better, and for them then to use their position to try to start change.

    The problem in Spain and all other countries in the midst of austerity programmes is that very few people realise how wrong politicians and media commentators are in the rubbish they spout. The Occupy protests are not yet presenting a consistent and thought through opposition view. I try to discuss economic issues but there seems to be a fatalism, typified by “I don’t understand, I don’t want to understand, don’t bother me with the facts, I know things are going to get bad but we pay others to get us out of this mess. I know I cannot do anything but take it on the chin”. The attention span is at most 5 minutes. Sad really.

  5. The right-wing Portuguese Prime Minister said “We must get out of the crisis by getting poorer”.
    That’s right! How you leave a crisis by getting further into a crisis, I don’t know!
    One comment said: «It’s like saying to an unemployed person he’ll be in better shape to pay its debts if becomes a beggar rather than finding work.»

    Really, look at what the troika in Portugal says – they’re all mad!

  6. Although I can say I disliked the public building program of the previous socialist government, not because it was an expenditure, but because it was a waste of resources in something which is damaging to the environment without the adequate trade-off.

    Maybe the Spanish dislike the type of expenditures of their previous government, rather than expenditures per se?

  7. I’m greaving at this time, just hoped the results in spain wouldn’t be so “landslide” like (literally is what we’ll face in no time: a landslide with us upon the land). In spite of every evidence in neghbour countries they keep repeating the mantra, and so people does, like if they were brainwashed: “we lived over our means, now we have to tight belts” and so on. People is gladly heading to slaughter house, and protesters are discarded, and don’t create a political alternative, besides, machiavellic electoral system in spain benefits widely bigger parties, (in this case winners having 53% representation in congress with just 44,6% of votes issued) and punishes little parties with no representation at all.

  8. It demonstrates how poorly represented the electorates in the advanced world are

    Who has the right to tell if electorates are poorly represented?

    If people voted for the PP it’s because they wanted the party to represent them, which is all representative democracy can give us.

  9. Bill

    One of the typical neoliberal idea is that politicians and their role and privileges (high degree or low degree, I mean, Congress or local mayor) could undermine efficiency. They call it favouritism, bribery and others. Could be right.

    Now in Italy there is Mario Monti, that has promised to cut political privileges and to balance the budget (or possibly to have a surplus, given interest rates on treasuries and the need to cut public debt). He wants to cut also municipalities and he wants to reorganize local institutions.

    Typical neoliberal economists are writing something like “at last, there is a politician that cut the ruling class privileges, and finally a great measure for growth and efficiency” [sometimes doing some example about Steve Jobs that in Italy would have failed because of politicians, trade unions and others].

    Now, what’s the sense? It’s a matter of distribution? I mean, they cut privileges, and balance the budget, what change? that they don’t use tax money to pay privileges but to finance firms? but neoliberal aren’t against public spending or public intervention? This could change efficiency (I don’t know how much) but now, in a situation where:

    NX is negative,
    (G-T) would be 0 or -1 (I thinks it’s a myth, given auto stabilzers)
    (S-I) given the situation would be negative.

    How this could be a growth policy? How can be a growth only cutting privileges o reorganizing pensions?

  10. Bill and others,
    “Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) shows us that it is a compositional fallacy to consider that the difference between getting a job and being unemployed is a matter of individual endeavour.”

    It occured to me the other day, that teaching young children about our monetary system can be quite difficult. Teaching them about Fallacy of Composition should be quite an easy way to prepare them for more advanced stuff about economics later in life. The Hockey Stadium analogy should be fun to teach and to learn.

  11. A common characteristic of neoliberal prescriptions is their indirect “logic”. To affect situation A you do not deal with A directly, instead you create condition B which is then supposed to operate on situation A in some manner. Consider some examples. To deal with excess CO2 emissions neoliberals (apart from advocating doing nothing) suggest we implement a market in CO2 emission certificates (permissions to pollute). The direct method would be to mandate emission allowances by legislation or introduce a pigovian tax at the appropriate level. I favour the latter. To deal with unemployment, neoliberals advocate training, low wages and work place “reform” (more power to the bosses). The direct method would be to increase public service employment at all levels and let the benefits of the spending power of new public workers generate new demand for private sector workers.

    If I wanted to pick an apple that was at the limit of my reach (but not beyond) what would I do? I would stand on my tip-toes and pick it. If I was a neoliberal I would probably create a catapault to fling a rock at the stem in an attempt to break it and obtain the apple that way. This is the neoliberal method. Of course, in 99 attempts out of a hundred the rock would miss the stem. When it hit it would likely prove ineffective anyway. This sums up the neoliberal approach to solving societal and economic problems.

    The common factor in all neoliberal recommendations is that they always deal the market and private capital into the game and always deal the government out of the game. The other common factor is that they fail to provide solutions for the 99% but do enrich the 1% nicely, thank you very much.

    When there is an apple of social gain to pick, the government (democratically elected and empowered I might add) should go straight ahead and pick it. Roundabout neoliberal methods do not work and indeed on a machieavellian interpretation they are probably not meant to work.

  12. @Ikonoclast
    They have been flinging rocks at the stem for the last 40 years. When will we get the golden apple? In another 40 years?

  13. While I agree that the appeal for many in social enterprise based solutions lies in the idea that they might be self sustaining in the long run (and a wilful blindness to the macroeconomic challenge), I think that there are some good reasons to try to devolve delivery to local organisations and to build in as much local flexibility/innovation as possible. I am not confident that centrally driven systems will be effective in providing the right jobs at the right time (just as I think centrally driven investments in vocational skills have not yielded great outcomes). I’d be interested in how we can combine the idea of a jobs guarantee with a strong local engagement/control framework.

    I should also note that I find the conflation of ‘social entrepreneur’, ‘microfinance’ and ‘social enterprise’ initiatives problematic. While they may be rhetorically linked (eg through common tendency to valorise the cleansing rigour of the market), many social enterprises (like co-ops) have historically been grounded in collective traditions which are quite different from some of the ideas around social entrepreneurs.

  14. ikonoclast:

    I think a neoliberal would chainsaw the tree, sell the timber, take all the apples and store what they cannot eat or sell to rot away, thereby maintaining apple prices from the next tree.

    I wish people would stop bandying about the vaguely glamorous term ‘entrpreneur’, there’s a perfectly godd translation in english: middle man.

  15. May I suggest that in India the problem is rampant corruption, civil service ineptitude and bloated institutions, a bit like Greece, only bigger? Why are the less than 100,000 Parsees or Zoroastrians flourishing (q.v. Tats, Mistrys etc.)?

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